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Too few.
September 2, 2021 94 Comments
Michael Voris interviews Bobby Hesley and David L. Gray. Bobby is a Catholic speaker and political commentator from Detroit, Michigan. David is a Catholic commentator and also the author of The Divine Symphony: An Exordium to the Theology of the Catholic Mass.
dont tread on moths • 7 minutes ago Beyond slavery Africa has the same experience that has subsided as everywhere. Most Catholics did know the history beyond from the missionaries as many Saints had travelled the continent. Others were native and to this day the francophone Catholics have a high population of black priests. Protestants...King Henry and most peoples who protested, fought and still to this day resist kneeling to our Lady Mary or recognizing Christ living in the Eucharist, were anglophones. ROOTS. Latino blacks are mainly Catholic...consequently many worship the homegrown insults to God with voodoo and santeria. Ignorance is still a bliss to many peoples.
CG • 2 hours ago • edited I live out in the burbs in Chicago. A while back we had "sister" churches in the city (which we helped support) which each designated a different day for each to travel to attend the other's Sunday's mass. They all wanted our liturgy to be more like our "sister" churches in the city where Gods presence could be truly felt among those less fortunate. I tried explaining its not the liturgy, but their hearts that were different that made the difference. We were given many practical opportunities to reach out and volunteer at a grass roots level but the danger of violence was always there - even those waiting in line at a soup kitchen get attacked by gangs with bricks thrown at them from cars! Instead of the Hierarchy focusing on removing the St. Michael prayer after mass in Chicago, they should be organizing authentic Catholic teaching lessons at those soup kitchens and wherever they are giving help!! Sorry, I digress once again from topic. The interviewee's point that one should be centered on one's faith first is truth but how does that work out when one is uneducated in the faith and/or on the lowest steps of Masglow's Hierarchy of needs? It doesn't work out, and survival mode kicks in first, unless one has great faith, and that means voting for the politician who promises you the most, not who is the most moral. (It makes one think they do not want to really help uneducated poor people since they would vote democrat and the democrats fund their (hierarchy) pockets? Now that would be pure evil.....).
steelerfan CG • 37 minutes ago This is every where. One of my bible study students asked me why do I always talk about God? My answer was....what else is there. I was surprised to find out most of our class felt like that. God first was not a concept that they understood.
JR • 2 hours ago I think one reason why there wasn't a lot of evangelization of blacks after the Civil War was because the Church was dealing with a lot of anti-Catholicism at that time such as from the No-Nothings and the KKK.
Karen Lamm • 3 hours ago WOW! A hundred thumbs up! Thank you so
much! I know that racism exists, but I also think it's promoted by
many, on many levels, as part of an agenda that feeds alienation, as
they so aptly pointed out. It was so refreshing to see these young men speak out!
This made me remember when I grew up in the northeast in the late
'40's and '50's where we were more integrated. When I had a horse, a
black boy, who loved horses, used to go with me to take care of him and
rode him in the county fair. He also ate meals with us. In High School
our Junior class President was black...he was admired for the leader he
was, both academically and athletically. I share this because when I
see and hear all this rhetoric today, I think how very blessed we were
and how thankful I am for parents who would never have allowed any
discrimination of another person for race, color or creed. My Mother
would say that if we can't say anything nice about someone, then don't
say anything! God bless her and my Dad! Today, this present
environment makes me so sad and I long for, hope and pray for the day
that I can say a young boy helped me with my horse and a talented young
man was President of our Junior class, without any label other than
American. I thank you Bobby and David! And, thank you, Michael, for a
wonderful informative interview!! God bless you all!Robert Dunn • 3 hours ago • edited Ghost abortions, communion jump shots, and Jim Crow Catholic churches are new terms for me. I receive communion frequently from the hands of an American FSSP priest from Nigeria. The FSSP know what they're doing. They sent us this priest not because of his skin color but because we need him. We have three Masses Monday through Saturday and six on Sunday and confession times twice daily, and the priests do all the catechesis.
MARTHA ELLEN CAHALAN • 3 hours ago • edited Does any notices the man working on an image from St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism No. 2. and adding a picture Michael on the tv screen in the image?
Drew Pointkouski • 4 hours ago Wow, this was such a refreshing Vortex for me because it brought into light some of the truths I experience regularly in my personal life, and proves that many of the issues that are pushed politically, are actually solved by being people of faith. People who love Christ, are not racists, plain and simple. It was a pleasure being introduced to these two gentlemen, whom I do not see as black men, in context of "being different" than me - I see two faith filled Catholic men, who unfortunately are forced to have to figure out how to not only be Catholic in America but have to figure out how to define being Catholic black men! And they both defined that perfectly - they are Catholic first and that defines every other aspect in life ... and that is my experience as a white man as well.
Ironically, America blew the opportunity of having our first black president. Obama could have united us more socially, economically, politically, etc, but instead divided us even further along race lines, and setting the US backwards in time. The liberal left, which are socialists, do not like America, and have weaponized race to divide us even further. It's good to hear that American blacks are beginning to see through the rhetoric and realize they are being used every 2 or 4 years during each election cycle! Thank God their eyes are being opened!
And within the Church, they get the same false lip service by being treated as victims. These two guests, Bobby Hesley and David L. Gray, are NOT victims - they are Men & Men of Faith, and smart, and empowered by God. The bishops have failed them by using their race the same way the Left uses them. The bishops have failed us all - none of us, since Vatican II, have been properly catechized! When I see Wilton Gregory, I don't see a Black Prince of the Church - he's not helping black causes; he's using black causes. What I see in Wilton Gregory is a gay man, who lets his sexuality define his catholicism. His leftist thinking is more important than his faith - if he even has any supernatural faith?!
Bobby & David, I salute you both, and I consider you Brothers in Christ. Thank you. Continue to bring people to Christ, and open their eyes to see the truth of our Brotherhood, not the lies of Leftist society! God Bless, Drew
Diane • 5 hours ago I agree Politics and Catholicism go hand in hand. Just as Fr. Altman said you cannot be Catholic and be a Democrat. The 'values' of the Democrat party are all the things that the Catholic Church and the teachings of Jesus Christ are against. It is, however, very sad that there are too many Clergy and Catholics who are Democrat. They need their eyes to be opened and stop being blind to the evils of the Democrat party.
JR Diane • 3 hours ago Did you ever think about the number of Catholics who were members of the Nazi and Communist parties?
Dave Parrott JR • 2 hours ago Yeah ... Nazis, communists & democrats. How can anyone that calls themselves Catholic be part of those three is beyond me.
Helga • 5 hours ago • edited I had a close friend in grade school through high school in California who was black and Catholic. Her parents were well educated and very successful but divorced. I never met her dad but her mom was a Democrat and is anti-Trump, pro-Obama. I recall she stopped attending church not long after the divorce. She has a house on Martha's Vineyard, the island of wealthy educated liberals. The insights shared here are helpful and I think some apply to my friend's mom.
Diane • 5 hours ago Those who are black and Catholic, are very devout Catholics. They get it! I agree most of the slave owners were protestant, so they were also protestant. The only flags that should be in or outside of a Catholic Church, should be the Vatican flag and the American Flag in America.
Mary Bryant • 5 hours ago Hi Michael!
Thank you for this great interview! :-)
At Last! Two black American educated Roman Catholic men!!!! WOOOOO HOOOO!
As a cradle American black Catholic who grew up in NYC and attended Catholic school
in the fifties, I know All about being Black and Catholic.
I always felt it was a gift from God.
Therese Pribil Sprinkle • 5 hours ago Great interview. We need more men like these two. All of did a great job.
Aslanfollower • 5 hours ago This is an excellent interview. The Church needs more good men like your two guests. I'll
be following them on YouTube, and praying for them.🙏CG Lucy • an hour ago • edited I was so happy to see both of them speak but would like them to talk more of possible solutions to the issue not just the description of the problems.
Dacgal Lucy • 5 hours ago I have been subscribed to David's channel for a long time but now will also subscribe to Bobby.
Michael Aiello • 6 hours ago Our pastor is exceptional and astute. His homily one Sunday was how the church has abandoned the inner cities after Vatican II. Oh, certain religious may do volunteer work there but they don't live there. They live in the comfortable suburbs.
Not like St's Father Damien and Mother Mary Anne Cope who lived with the lepers in t.
And when finances gor bad and vocations dried up, what churches closed? Those in the inner city. I think we need to reassess!
JR Michael Aiello • 2 hours ago The Franciscan Friars and Sisters of the Renewal live in the inner cities, I believe.
MarxismNoWay • 6 hours ago • edited Excellent! These two gentlemen would have definitely given it to the Natomas School Board. I just watched that post of the video of the parents blasting the school board. And I loved the comment from that gentleman, "If the Supreme Court can find posting the Ten Commandments UNCONSTITUTIONAL, how can this be any different?".
DHopp • 6 hours ago Excellent interview!!
So wonderful to hear Catholic black men not whining about matters of entitlement, racism, race, and status.
Their perspective is great! Great insight.
They are Catholic first!So when we die and are standing before God, will God care about our race?
These guys need to be heard! Would they be heard by other blacks?
To bad the culture finds no value in what Catholics say, black or any other race.--
Jeanne L • 6 hours ago I have never seen so many black Catholics until I began attending the TLM. A true testament to our universal church.
Mary Bryant Jeanne L • 5 hours ago At Holy Innocents there are a lot of black Catholics BUT they are not American like me.
Some are converts, some are Africans, or from the Caribbean.
Black American Catholics are as rare as hen's teeth.
Jacqueline's Textiles Jeanne L • 6 hours ago [holding child, writing one handed, up with kid til 2 am...so take for wut this is] It's kind of a thing. If we're NO, we're old and drank all of the modern Kool-Aid and want Mass to be as Prot as possible. In gen, not always. If we're young and observant at all we're front and cent at TLM. We go one way or the other--suups nutsoid or suups trad. Don't know about SSPX, but for full comms, we tend to show up. At my church, when the o t h e r black person showed up a year or two after me, he gave me a weird look and said, "Did I see u on CM last year?" I had done a little vid that ended up on a less than viral vortex in 2015 or 2016 or so and he was able to pick me out like that. We've been friends ever since. He's a convert and an integral part of parish. He did my wedding pics and supported my mission work. Does most of the prof pics at our 99% white parish--baps, comms, holy days, weds, etc. But now we have a n o t h e r black person. And the 3 of us wouldn't change our religion, our parish or our church demographic and all the friends and spiritual fam members we've gotten since showing up. And the three of us aren't even tight. We have plenty of much closer white friends than each other even if we consider each other friends--the skin color doesn't bind us to a religion or even a group of people at the church. To us Cath and the ideology and theology and the implementation of it matters far more than skin color which is why the 3 of us converted and the three of us got to white tlm and the three of us have not-black spouses. Trad cath=great friendship potential regardless of parish or demograph. black=who the heck knows but probs not very promising...
Jeanne L Jacqueline's Textiles • 5 hours ago Thanks for your comment! In full disclosure every different place I've gone for TLM is not just black and white, but ALL the many, spanish, asians of many types etc. It's because people of good will come from all around and seek out TLM. It's a beautiful lesson to us and our children that we are all created in His image and likeness and worship together.
janofdet Jacqueline's Textiles • 5 hours ago God Bless the three of you! What a great comment and testament of faith!
janofdet • 7 hours ago Very informative show. Makes me wish the USCCB "got it" like these gentlemen "get it".
AcceptingReality • 7 hours ago Black lives don't matter to Black Lives Matter. But I gotta tell you, there are packs of white people who support BLM and hate white guys, too. Never mind being a white guy, who drives a white pick up with a Trump 2024 sticker. That's anathema.
Michelle Campbell AcceptingReality • 3 hours ago White LIBERAL Marxists who have been caught on film giving ANTIFA and
BsLM folk their marching orders. Talk about 'white privilege' bossing around
radicals who happen to be black. Hubba! Hubba! 😃
Ah, ha! Caught ya on film!
Irenaeus • 8 hours ago • edited Even though it was a terrible tragedy when slave owners would break up slave families, as the one gentlemen alluded to, the Medicaid system has obliterated and broken up black families (by incentivizing fatherlessness) in a far more profound way than the slave owners ever did.
salesgirl Irenaeus • 7 hours ago Amen! Don't forget flooding poor neighborhoods with alcohol and drugs, and doing nothing about crime and education. Bet slave owners educated their servants better than the government schools do - at least the slaves learned a trade of some kind, so they could earn - or grow - their living. Government schools turn out nothing but overgrown spoiled brats with entitlement mentalities.
Michelle Campbell salesgirl • 4 hours ago You know educators like St John Batiste de La Salle, who REALLY
taught FREE education and St John Bosco are lookin' really good now.
We need many more of them who knew the Faith!!! 🙏✝️🙏Michelle Campbell salesgirl • 4 hours ago • edited Doesn't this sound familiar? Our American indigenous dwellers, Chumash,
Cherokee, Ute dozens of others. They lived near the forts and got hooked
on 'firewater', ETOH, alcohol.
I'm 33 1/3% Native American myself on my mother's side and now look.
These puffed up blowhards want the identity 'Native American' changed???
UGH! These language tinkerers! 😖
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