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Hochul's New Religion: God Gave Us the Vaccines And He wants us to be vaccinated. Fri Oct 1, 2021 Robert Spencer 75 comments

 

Hochul's New Religion: God Gave Us the Vaccines

And He wants us to be vaccinated.

  75 comments

New York Governor Kathy Hochul (D-Planned Parenthood) is ostensibly a Catholic. When she was sworn in as governor in August, the Leftist Catholic America Magazine noted that she thanked her “big Irish Catholic” family, but her real religion was suggested in the next sentence of the America Mag report: “Her immediate family sat in the front row, wearing masks and spaced slightly apart.” Of course they did. For the secular, pro-abortion Left, the political agenda of the day is much more than just an array of policy imperatives and goals: it’s a holy faith, to be believed fervently and spread among the unenlightened masses. Hochul provided the latest example of this Sunday in a speech at the Christian Cultural Center in Brooklyn, where she preached her new gospel of faith and redemption coming at the point of a needle: the unvaccinated, she said, “aren’t listening to God and what God wants.”

Hochul spoke to the congregation as if she were a true believer, but given the likelihood that Hochul doesn’t actually share the faith of those who attend the Christian Cultural Center, her speech is less of an evangelical display than it is a nauseatingly condescending masterpiece of pandering. “God,” Hochul proclaimed, “let you survive this pandemic because he wants you to do great things someday. He let you live through this when so many other people did not and that is also your responsibility. But how do we keep more people alive?”

How indeed? Every religion is in one way or another a story of loss and gain, of sin and redemption, and the prophet Hochul’s new religion is no exception: she offered the Christian Cultural Center a parody of Christianity in which the coronavirus is the original sin, the vaccine is the means of redemption, and the vaccinated are the grateful saved community. “I prayed a lot to God during this time,” she claimed, “and you know what – God did answer our prayers. He made the smartest men and women, the scientists, the doctors, the researchers – he made them come up with a vaccine. That is from God to us and we must say, thank you, God. Thank you. And I wear my ‘vaccinated’ necklace all the time to say I’m vaccinated. All of you, yes, I know you’re vaccinated, you’re the smart ones, but you know there’s people out there who aren’t listening to God and what God wants. You know who they are.”

Hochul’s story is resonant of conversion stories down through the ages: I once was lost but now I’m found, I was wandering in sin and desolation but now – hallelujah! – I have seen the light and gotten the vaccine! Hochul continued her Christian parody by making her claim to be none other than the Lord himself, sending out His followers with the good news of salvation: “I need you to be my apostles. I need you to go out and talk about it and say, we owe this to each other. We love each other.”

In case anyone in the congregation began to take umbrage at her hubris and condescension, Hochul then dialed it back a bit, and let them know that she was still aware that there was a power higher than herself: “Jesus taught us to love one another and how do you show that love but to care about each other enough to say, please get the vaccine because I love you and I want you to live, I want our kids to be safe when they’re in schools, I want to be safe when you go to a doctor’s office or to a hospital and are treated by somebody, you don’t want to get the virus from them. You’re already sick or you wouldn’t be there. We have to solve this, my friends. I need every one of you.”

The only problem with Hochul’s story of sin (Covid) and redemption (vaccine) is that it’s a false religion. It doesn’t work. People have reasonable questions about the safety of the vaccine, but instead of getting answers, they’re told to shut up. True science is driven by questions not dogma, but Hochul (along with many others) is behaving like the most fanatical Grand Inquisitor. NBA player Bradley Beal stated the facts of the case succinctly and clearly on Monday: “I would like an explanation to people with vaccines, why are they still getting COVID? If that is something that [vaccinated individuals] are supposed be highly protected from, like it’s funny that it only reduces your chances of going to the hospital. Doesn’t eliminate anybody from getting COVID. Right?… So you can still get COVID. And you can still pass it along with the [vaccination] right? I am just asking the question.”

It’s a good question, and one that reveals the emptiness of Hochul’s faith. Hochul, of course, isn’t the first Leftist politician to treat the Left’s causes as a holy crusade. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Smirnoff) did it last April when she addressed the deceased George Floyd and thanked him for “sacrificing your life for justice.” For Pelosi, racism, or whiteness, is the original sin. This sin manifests itself in all sorts of “systemic” ways, most notably in the alleged police double standard for blacks and whites. George Floyd, in Pelosi’s vision, sacrificed himself just as Jesus did. In Christian thought, Jesus submitted to death in order to destroy it and enable human beings to enjoy eternal life; now George Floyd submitted to racism and police brutality in order to destroy them and enable Americans to enjoy racial justice.

Hochul is no narrow sectarian: she believes in that religion, too. She told the Christian Cultural Center: “I need you to let them know that this is how we can fight this pandemic, come back to normal and then start talking about the real issues that we have to – fighting systemic racial injustice which exists today and if there is a denier I will take you on every day because I’ve seen it, I know it exists and we’re not going to have a blind eye to this ever again any longer under my watch. That is my commitment to you.” She has seen the Lord, she knows her redeemer lives!

The Left’s secular religiosity is ridiculous, yes, and offensive, yes, but it is also ominous. Ominous because Hochul’s vaccinated-redeemed-versus-unvaccinated-damned scenario has an edge. The damned, after all, are cast into hell. Are Hochul and her disciples preparing that hell for the unrepentant sinners now?

Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch and a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center. He is author of 23 books including many bestsellers, such as The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)The Truth About Muhammad and The History of Jihad. His latest book is The Critical Qur’an. Follow him on Twitter here. Like him on Facebook here.


Annie45
5 points
2 days ago

If there was now a coffin shortage in the United States and every family had lost at least one loved one to Covid - then Hochul’s religious histrionics regarding Covid might actually resonate.

But Covid has a 99% survival rate among the entire population which makes Hochul sound bizarre and preposterous and insulting to our intelligence. As a typical progressive convinced she knows what’s best for everybody else- Hochul lacks respect for and insight into what ordinary people think. The concept of, by and for the people - of government leaders answering to the governed as opposed to trying to manipulate and play them for power - is alien to a political hack like Hochul.

Hochul’s religious fervor over an unnecessary vaccine for healthy people is phony and evil. And We The People see right through her.

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Mo de profit
5 points
2 days ago

If their experimental failure virus was that dangerous, why have the number of total deaths remained the same?

If their vaccine vaccinated why would they care if I wasn’t vaccinated?

If the hospitals were so overwhelmed by the pandemic, why are their staff members sitting around doing nothing.

If their virus was so contagious why haven’t most of the crowds of illegals become infected and needing to be hospitalised?

If their virus was so bad why do they need to censor anyone questioning their messages?

The questions go on but no politician is asking them? Why?

errol phillips
0 points
45 hours ago

And if there is such a dire need for health care due to Covid, why are hospitals firing nurses who don't want the vaccine because they have seen what it can do? And why are hundreds of thousands of disease vectors from Haiti, etc. being allowed to enter this country with no vaccinations?

And why are the health care zealots proposing forced vaccinations or shooting blacks with darts? https://renewedright.com/dr-fauci-is-panicking-after-this-fda-official-was-caught-admitting-one-fact-he-wanted-to-keep-secret/?utm_source=rrnl&utm_medium=ong&utm_campaign=1361961627

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nfw
4 points
2 days ago

God? Hang on, progressives and God? Now there's a disconnect.

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Ursula Trainer
3 points
2 days ago

Sher refers to small "g" god-demons.

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THX 1138
-4 points
2 days ago

There's no disconnect. Judaism and Christianity paved the way for communism. Karl Marx, the Moses of communism, simply ejected Almighty God out of the mystical equation and replaced him with the Almighty State. The communists eject an eternal after-life Utopia in Heaven and the Second Coming of Christ which never come and replace that with a Utopian future on earth which never arrives.

Karl Mark took Judeo-Christianity and made it into an atheistic, crypto-Judeo-Christianity.

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joe moricone
7 points
2 days ago

huh?? communism is a total repudiation of christianity and persecutes christianity and judaism.

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THX 1138
-4 points
2 days ago

I need time to read your links, but this one is easy.

Just as the religion and faith of Islam can not tolerate other religions, the crypto-religion of socialism can not tolerate other religions either. And when Christianity was taken completely seriously as it was during the Christian Dark Ages it had no tolerance for dissenters either. That today's modern Christians are usually tolerant of other religions shows how much their religious fervor has been tamed, leashed, and diminished by the influence of Aristotelian rationality.

"I have said that faith and force are corollaries, and that mysticism will always lead to the rule of brutality. The cause of it is contained in the very nature of mysticism. Reason is the only objective means of communication and of understanding among men; when men deal with one another by means of reason, reality is their objective standard and frame of reference. But when men claim to possess supernatural means of knowledge, no persuasion, communication or understanding are possible. Why do we kill wild animals in the jungle? Because no other way of dealing with them is open to us. And that is the state to which mysticism reduces mankind—a state where, in case of disagreement, men have no recourse except to physical violence. And more: no man or mystical elite can hold a whole society subjugated to their arbitrary assertions, edicts and whims, without the use of force. Anyone who resorts to the formula: “It’s so, because I say so,” will have to reach for a gun, sooner or later. Communists, like all materialists, are neo-mystics: it does not matter whether one rejects the mind in favor of revelations or in favor of conditioned reflexes. The basic premise and the results are the same." - Ayn Rand

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joe moricone
7 points
2 days ago

The 'christian dark ages' are a myth. Atheism sure tolerates no other religion as we see when it is taken seriously in north korea for example. No dissenters? then how did Luther manage to challenge the church and start a new branch of christianity? The Eastern orthodox church broke away in 1054. Obviously the Roman church killed dissenters like Tyndale, but ultimately the dissenters were successful. Christianity, unlike islam, was never meant to be a system of government. Jesus did not come to establish His kingdom in this world which is why He established no nation like Moses and Mohammed did. Atheist 'rationality' is a myth, rationality is only found in judeo-christian religion because the God of those religions is rational.

errol phillips
2 points
45 hours ago

Exactly. The so-called "Dark Ages were the beginning of a massive enlightenment.

errol phillips
1 point
45 hours ago

Speaking of "crypto religions" Objectivism has to be included. Ayn Rand pretends that she is perfectly objective, not to mention omniscient. She judges everyone and everything from her pulpit of deluded narcissism. And if all materialists are neo-mystics then so is she and so are you. LOL.

errol phillips
0 points
45 hours ago

"The Christian Dark Ages" was propaganda created by humanists from the so-called Enlightenment. Yes, the period that spawned some very anti-human ideologies like Marxism. Be careful about swallowing things whole. Sometimes those dorsal fins can really hurt.

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THX 1138
0 points
45 hours ago

Marxism is the result of Immanuel Kant and his anti-reason philosophy. Without Kant, no Hegel, Nietzsche, Marx, Hitler, or Stalin.

What was the purpose of Kant's attack on reason and by extension his attack on the Aristotelian Renaissance and the Age of Enlightenment? He made it explicitly clear; to rescue the collapse of Christian faith from the onslaught of reason. Kant opened the door again for faith, unreason, and irrationality. He made the irrational seem intellectually respectable. And the rest is the history of our era, the history of the last 240 years, the Age of the Kantian Anti-Renaissance dueling with the fading remnants, the fading light, of the Aristotelian Renaissance.

"I have therefore found it necessary to deny knowledge, in order to make room for faith" - Imanuel Kant from his "Critique of Pure Reason", 1781

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joe moricone
0 points
44 hours ago

laughable name one bit of knowledge you have to deny in order to make room for faith...oh you can't and neither could Kant...it is just more atheistic BS . Christianity cannot collapse from reason and you can post no 'reason' to refute christianity. While I have already blown your BS atheism/evolution away, and you are unable to respond to my reason

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THX 1138
0 points
41 hours ago

Kant is using the word "knowledge" as a synonym for reason.

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joe moricone
0 points
29 hours ago

right then try using 'reason' or evidence or logic to explain away christianity...you cannot

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THX 1138
0 points
28 hours ago

Good luck with your magical thinking.

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joe moricone
0 points
26 hours ago

LMAO parrot some more BS atheist talking points. Evolution is magical thinking, it EVOLVED PRAISE DARWIN(PBUH) LMAO. but you will find out to your HORROR that Jesus is very real...ahahhahahahh luck won't help you : )

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THX 1138
0 points
26 hours ago

Hmmm. Let me think. According to your religious belief the mere act of doubting the existence of Yahweh, doubting the Christian after-life, and doubting the Resurrection, will condemn me to an eternal torture chamber you Christians call eternal Hell? Right?

How is that essentially any different from the Muslim Jihadist who believes that it is right and moral to torture and kill the unbelievers simply and only for not believing in Mohammed and Allah? It isn't any different in essence, it's the same evil and immoral practice of torturing and punishing unbelievers simply and only for not believing. The only difference is superficial and cowardly, you prefer to have your allegedly loving, compassionate, forgiving, personal, god who died for our sins, to become like Allah in the Christian after-life, and do the torturing and punishing for you. You wouldn't want to get your hands bloody like a Muslim would you now? You prefer your Jesus to do the bloody work for you.

"Every artist wishes to be believed in, but he is not angry with those who will not accept the communication he offers. God is not so reasonable. He craves so urgently to be believed in that you might think he needed your belief in order to reassure himself of his own existence. He promises rewards to those who believe in him and threatens with horrible punishment those who do not. For my part I cannot believe in a God who is angry with me because I do not believe in him. I cannot believe in a God who has neither humour or common sense. Plutarch long ago put the matter succinctly. 'I would much rather', he writes, 'have men say of me that there never was a Plutarch, nor is now, than to say that Plutarch is a man inconstant, fickle, easily moved to anger, revengeful for trifling provocations, and vexed at small things.' - Somerset Maugham

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joe moricone
0 points
25 hours ago

You don't understand christianity at all. Rejecting Jesus gets you a free pass to hell. Muslims believe in a god...but not in the God of the bible who is JESUS. It is all about Who HE is, and what HE did. as HE said, I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father but by me. It is very different in essence since we do not kill unbelievers and allow muslims atheists etc into our countries unlike your muslim buddies. Torturing? HAHAHHAHA it is JUSTICE not torture you will get everything you deserve in hell, and nothing more. You will not suffer as badly as the anti-christ and Satan. You deserve hell, and anyone who doesn't think that is delusional can you look at your life and say you have been godlike? laughable. Your BS about Jesus doing blood work is laughable BS atheist talking points, you atheists bend over to islam. Atheism engages in wholesale industrial SLAUGHTER and torture and yet you embrace it, ironic no?

You don't have to believe in the God of the bible, but you will pay the price for your beliefs, and that is only fair isn't it? you get exactly what you want...an eternity without God...that is hell it is amusing how much you atheists whine about that which you say you do not believe in. You want JUSTICE right? oh yeah you will get it but good HAHAHAHAHHAH. but what you atheists really want is to be your own widdle god...just like your real god satan does. Sorry there is no free lunch

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THX 1138
1 point
25 hours ago

Why should I be punished at all for using my reasoning mind and coming to the conclusion that Christianity is false?

Whom have I stolen from, abused, hit, beat up, raped, defrauded, harmed, assaulted, simply by not believing in your Jesus? Why does the simple intellectual, philosophical, conviction of unbelief merit condemnation and punishment?

It makes no moral sense at all. It's like condemning a person to a torture chamber simply for refusing to believe that 1 plus 1 equals 48.

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joe moricone
0 points
25 hours ago

So you have lived a sinless life, then you have nothing to worry about do you now? I find this so delusional, you don't think you have sinned because you are your own widdle god, and everything you do is right by your own definition. Unfortunately for you, you don't get to judge yourself, haven't you learned that yet?

it makes a great deal of moral sense, Sin must be paid for and if you reject what Jesus did then you will have to pay for your own sins. Say someone saved your life on 9/11 and died in the process, then you went up to his father at the funeral and spit in his face, what do you think the reaction would be? Exactly the reaction God the Father has when you reject what His son did

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THX 1138
1 point
25 hours ago

I have committed violations against others, I have committed mistakes of commission and omission, if your loving Jesus wants to punish me for those violations and by punishing me I can have the chance to go back in time and fix what I have broken, I'll gladly accept the punishment.

But if your Jesus thinks he's going to punish me for using my mind, punish me for my thoughts, punish me for my philosophical beliefs alone, he can go F himself! Mohammed and Allah can do the same!

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joe moricone
0 points
25 hours ago

no HE is going to F you BUT GOOD HAHAHAHAHAH you impotent little wimp shouting at God AHHAHAHAHH

thank God there is a hell for trash like you to burn in I will praise GOD at your every shriek you vile atheist mfr

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THX 1138
0 points
25 hours ago

I will burn your Bible as I will burn the Koran then!

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joe moricone
0 points
25 hours ago

God LAUGHS at impotent little inbreds like you

Psalm 2

4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them. 5 He rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying, 6 “I have installed my king on Zion, my holy mountain.”

HE has the last laugh HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

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THX 1138
1 point
25 hours ago

Let your imaginary friend in the sky laugh all he wants and you can join him, but be careful if you do that at Walmart, sane people will know you are a nutjob.

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

"While we are under the tyranny of Priests, it will ever be their interest, to invalidate the law of nature and reason, in order to establish systems incompatible therewith." - Ethan Allen

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joe moricone
0 points
24 hours ago

lets see you prove HE is imaginary, oh you can't because you have no facts for your MAGICAL ATHEIST 'thinking' snicker

while I have science archaeology and world affairs on my side to prove God....sucks to be you.

I'm sure all your trannnie friends at target are just like you, science denying uneducated toothless fat drooling inbred retards.

enjoy hell KKKletus

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Intrepid
0 points
26 hours ago

Good luck with your magical thinking. I Kant believe what a derp you are.

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Intrepid
0 points
26 hours ago

I think Kant was more successful than you will ever be.

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Intrepid
0 points
26 hours ago

And so I was thinking to myself , how can I tie Objectivism and my hatred of altruism to anything and everything, and in the process show the world how much I hate America and what a coward I am. Hmm. I know, I will cut and paste a boring, extra long screed by Ayn Rand for the 1 millionth time -- THX 1138

Nothing less than a new, revolutionary, philosophy, with a new revolutionary morality, will produce a political revolution against the onslaught of the philosophy of the altruist-collectivists.

Led by you no doubt.

errol phillips
4 points
45 hours ago

Nice non sequitur nonsense. I can see why you prefer to copy and paste. It makes me wonder who ties your shoes.

Christianity and Judaism didn't pave the way for Marxism, my obtuse little friend. They are both religions heavily rooted in ethics and morality, and in seeking a growing a relationship with God. If you knew what you are rambling about you would see that the purpose of both is to help people transcend the evils of narcissism -- an idea that is naturally repugnant to a self-worshipper like yourself.

Marxism is the antithesis to a morality/ethics based life. It encourages people to indulge in the evil inherent in anti-ethical short-cuts to wealth and power by promoting the license to commit evil: " the ends justify the means". That is the diametric opposite of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". So anyone who is reasonably intelligent and honest can see that the Golden Rule is not paving the way for the Machiavellian evil of " the ends justify the means".

That communists reject anything that isn't materialistic is not news, but that viewpoint didn't arise as a necessary reaction to belief in an afterlife and heaven. Marx had rejected God, but not deities. He switched to worshipping Satan, so he was, in effect a prophet of Satan. Satan's telos has always been to deceive, mislead, and destroy humanity. Satan's temptations have always been worldly. Marxism has the same anti-ethic and immorality as Satan worshippers . The satanic commandment is: "Do as thou wilt". Sounds a lot like "the ends justify the means".

Your problem is that you see a simplistic causal relationship without seeing the hostile motives inherent in Marxism.

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Intrepid
0 points
26 hours ago

Do you have to work hard at being an idiot, or does it come naturally?

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Algorithmic Analyst
4 points
2 days ago

Thanks Robert! Great article.

Hilarious and tragic.

errol phillips
4 points
46 hours ago

In Hochul's manic delusions of grandeur, she is a prophet and Fauci is the new Jesus. Perhaps it was this state of messianic ecstasy that caused her to misspell her own name. It should be spelled "hokum".

But back to ugly reality now. Here is chilling evidence of how Fausti and the left really think about the Covid vaccines, the rights of citizens, and power:

https://renewedright.com/dr-fauci-is-panicking-after-this-fda-official-was-caught-admitting-one-fact-he-wanted-to-keep-secret/?utm_source=rrnl&utm_medium=ong&utm_campaign=1361961627

Many of us have said for years that the American left doesn't really hate the Nazis at all, but instead admires their tactics and ruthlessness. Note how American corporations have become fascistic tools in the left's anti-constitutional coup.

We need a new term that describes the mental capacity of those who have swallowed the left's torrent of lies about Covid. We should refer to them as "vaxcuous".

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Edith
-1 points
43 hours ago

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Mo de profit
4 points
2 days ago

“God,” Hochul proclaimed, “let you survive this pandemic because he wants you to do great things someday. He let you live through this when so many other people did not and that is also your responsibility. But how do we keep more people alive?”

No, nothing to do with God, the UN department WHO didn’t create a dangerous virus in Whuhan, they were simply incompetent at containing their useless experiments. Boy have they exploited the fear that their hysteria created.

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D E Wise
0 points
21 hours ago

Covid is a psychotic disorder..she is proof

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jim59
0 points
14 hours ago

hochul and similar politicians -xiden included- should be hanged. so are police enforcing this tyranny and black robes from county courts to soopreem court.

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Alabaster Mc Gillicuddy
0 points
4 hours ago

God also gave us Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine but we have seen fit not to use them!!

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JrJ
-1 points
39 hours ago

Mohamad is God's profit ,not Hochul.

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THX 1138
-3 points
2 days ago

"Every religion is in one way or another a story of loss and gain, of sin and redemption... The only problem with Hochul’s story of sin (Covid) and redemption (vaccine) is that it’s a false religion. It doesn’t work. "

Every religion, including Judaism and Christianity, is in one way or another a false story based on faith, that is the essential and defining attribute of religion. What is faith in this context? “Faith” in this context means belief in the absence of evidence. This is the essential that distinguishes religion from science. A scientist may believe in the entities which he cannot observe, such as atoms or electrons, but he can do so only if he can prove their existence logically, by inference from things he does observe. A religious man, however, believes in some “higher unseen power” which he cannot observe and cannot logically prove. As the whole story of philosophy demonstrates, no study of the natural universe can warrant jumping outside it to a supernatural entity. The five arguments for God offered by the greatest of all religious thinkers, Thomas Aquinas, are widely recognized by philosophers to be logically defective; they have each been refuted many times, and they are the best arguments that have ever been offered on this subject." - Leonard Peikoff

All religions are false, including Judaism and Christianity. Religion paved the way for communism, "You are probably wondering here: “What about Communism? Isn’t it a logical, scientific, atheistic philosophy, and yet doesn’t it lead straight to totalitarianism?” The short answer to this is: Communism is not an expression of logic or science, but the exact opposite. Despite all its anti-religious posturings, Communism is nothing but a modern derivative of religion: it agrees with the essence of religion on every key issue, then merely gives that essence a new outward veneer or cover-up.

The Communists reject Aristotelian logic and Western science in favor of a “dialectic” process; reality, they claim, is a stream of contradictions which is beyond the power of “bourgeois” reason to understand. They deny the very existence of man’s mind, claiming that human words and actions reflect nothing but the alogical predetermined churnings of blind matter. They do reject God, but they replace him with a secular stand-in, Society or the State, which they treat not as an aggregate of individuals, but as an unperceivable, omnipotent, supernatural organism, a “higher unseen power” transcending and dwarfing all individuals. Man, they say, is a mere social cog or atom, whose duty is to revere this power and to sacrifice every thing in its behalf. Above all, they say, no such cog has the right to think for himself; every man must accept the decrees of Society’s leaders, he must because this is the voice of Society, whether he understands it or not. Fully as much as Tertullian, Communism demands faith from its followers and subjects, “faith” in the literal, religious sense of the term. On every account, the conclusion is the same: Communism is not a new, rational philosophy; it is a tired, slavishly imitative heir of religion." - Leonard Peikoff

"Religion versus America" - Leonard Peikoff https://ari.aynrand.org/issues/government-and-business/capitalism/religion-vs-america/

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joe moricone
3 points
2 days ago

uh no Christianity and judaism are based upon facts which gives us faith in that which we cannot prove or disprove like heaven and hell. The resurrection is a proven fact, no one knowingly dies for a lie and the apostles would have had to do that in order to spread the faith. You believe in evolution though it has no evidence and has been disproven repeatedly. Atheism is the most irrational ignorant faith on the planet. Lets see you prove christianity is false and evolution is true. Oh you can't you take it on FAITH, ironic no?

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THX 1138
-3 points
2 days ago

Ok, I see I am dealing with someone who has no understanding of what atheism actually is, its relation to Objectivism, what proof is, or any understanding of the Onus of Proof Principle. Our conversation would be fruitless. Bye. Live long and prosper.

"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone.” ― Ayn Rand

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joe moricone
5 points
2 days ago

LOL I understand atheism far better than you obviously. it is the most ignorant irrational FAITH on the planet. prove me wrong, prove there are no gods...oh you can't you take it on FAITH and parrot the atheist line that the onus is on us cause you sure can't post ANY facts to prove atheism. Fine I will take your challenge, God is proven by the anthropic principle, DNA which is multiple codes and has been proven to come from intelligence and could not have evolved. Epigenetics which is coding for environmental contingencies which can only be the product of intelligence. Orphan genes, which are in every species and have no evolutionary explanation. The fossil record shows sudden appearance and stasis ie creation not evolution. Israel whose existence was prophecied by Ezekiel. But go ahead and run away because you don't have the intelligence nor education to back up your atheist talking points. Too easy LOL

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JPFH
4 points
48 hours ago

Sorry , by way of reason, I find atheism is based on a kind of irrational speculation based on the non-science of unobserved cosmological and biological evolutionary theory. The more information one has the less reasonable the speculation becomes.

errol phillips
1 point
45 hours ago

So you surrendered due to your lack of rational capacity to argue your point, or refute his, but try to blame it all on him. You would make a good leftist. How pathetic.

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THX 1138
0 points
45 hours ago

I've gotten pretty good over the years figuring out when it is pointless to pursue a back and forth. Life is short no one has an eternity to live.

It is as pointless with Mr.Moricone as it is with you. I reply to those comments that are worth my selfish while and none other.

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joe moricone
0 points
44 hours ago

you're a typical atheist who cannot back up your BLIND FAITH. PROVE no one has an eternity to live..you cannot just like you can't back up your ignorant atheist/evolutionary FAITH

you're not nearly as clever as you think you are cletus, I have blown away your pathetic ignorance easily.

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THX 1138
0 points
41 hours ago

Prove no one has an eternity to live? It is impossible to prove a negative, the burden of proof is on he who claims a positive. If there does exist an eternal after-life, as you claim, it is you who has to prove it, not I that has to disprove it. You can not disprove anything until evidence is shown. There is absolutely no evidence of an after-life.

It is a sufficient and universal observation that no one ever comes back from death to speak and show evidence or proof that there exists an eternal after-life, regardless of Christian mythology.

Moreover, and much more telling and decisive, no one who is fighting for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is fighting to enjoy them after they are dead, they are fighting for life, liberty, and happiness here and now, on earth, while they're in their mortal, physical, biological bodies. If eternal Christian Utopia in the after-life is what you really want why would you bother yourself so much about this insignificant, temporary, mortal pilgrimage?

"You are told that moral perfection is impossible to man—and, by this standard, it is. You cannot achieve it so long as you live, but the value of your life and of your person is gauged by how closely you succeed in approaching that ideal zero which is death.

If you start, however, as a passionless blank, as a vegetable seeking to be eaten, with no values to reject and no wishes to renounce, you will not win the crown of sacrifice. It is not a sacrifice to renounce the unwanted. It is not a sacrifice to give your life for others, if death is your personal desire. To achieve the virtue of sacrifice, you must want to live, you must love it, you must burn with passion for this earth and for all the splendor it can give you—you must feel the twist of every knife as it slashes your desires away from your reach and drains your love out of your body. It is not mere death that the morality of sacrifice holds out to you as an ideal, but death by slow torture.

Do not remind me that it pertains only to this life on earth. I am concerned with no other. Neither are you." - Ayn Rand

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Intrepid
0 points
26 hours ago

And so I was thinking to myself , how can I tie Objectivism and my hatred of altruism to anything and everything, and in the process show the world how much I hate America and what a coward I am. Hmm. I know, I will cut and paste a boring, extra long screed by Ayn Rand for the 1 millionth time -- THX 1138

Thank God you will never have an eternity to live. You will be forgotten....like your girlfriend who is mostly forgotten.

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joe moricone
-1 points
29 hours ago

LMAO so you have no facts to back up your atheist BLIND FAITH. No surprise atheism is the most irrational ignorant faith on the planet. Unlike atheism christianity has evidence to back up everything it says. For evidence of eternal life see the resurrection, which proved everything Jesus said is true. If you doubt the resurrection then you have to explain why anyone would die for what they KNOW is a lie as the apostles did and you have to explain how the image got on the shroud, and no one can do that it is beyond our technology. so your assertion there is no evidence of an after life is a lie. you SAY christianity is a mythology yet you have no evidence to back up that ASSertion. Once you are dead you either have eternal life liberty and happiness or eternal death hell and suffering. Obviously what we do in this life determines where we spend an eternity at and Jesus was concerned enough about this life to leave heaven and become human.

Rand is a lying retard

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THX 1138
0 points
28 hours ago

Good luck in your Christian After-Life Utopia. Now why is it you begrudge me my love of this mortal life on earth?

Objectivists are not going to force you to abandon your magical thinking. You're free to do all the magical wishing your heart desires. Freedom of magical thinking is allowed, we Objectivists won't interfere with your magical thinking, so long as you don't interfere with our rationality.

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Intrepid
1 point
26 hours ago

Best of luck in your hellish utopia. Bring lightweight clothing.

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sumsrent
0 points
78 minutes ago

So says Intrepid...

The idiot that says he only goes to church to Play Bass Guitar on the stage to "Chase Female Tail" and "Get laid"...

What a lonely loser... trying to tell others how to live... <<< Bwahahahahahaaaaa

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joe moricone
1 point
26 hours ago

Good luck in hell, oh it won't help you, but remember me between shrieks :) We all love our mortal life on earth, christians know that life is a gift of God, you think Darwin waived his racist hands and POOF life just happened. You atheists are the true magical thinkers you have blind faith in your atheism/evolution and NO FACTS to back up any of it....hilarious. Freedom FROM thinking is allowed as your posts prove. You sure love shoving your vile fascist ignorant atheist faith down our throats don't whine when we return the favor....atheist rationality HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA talk about an oxymoron. We've seen the results of your atheist 'rationality' in the gulags the gas chambers and killing fields, no wonder you love your vile atheism so

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THX 1138
0 points
26 hours ago

I'm not forcing Objectivism on any one, or do I not have the right of Free Speech like you do?

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joe moricone
0 points
25 hours ago

sure you're not just atheists who take prayer out of school, sue to remove christian symbols, never muslim symbols of course and who demand that racist atheist fairy tale known as evolution, which is the religion of atheism posing as science, be taught in schools

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THX 1138
0 points
25 hours ago

Government education should be dismantled. In a capitalist, free society, it is your responsibility to educate your children your self out of your own pocket. Your neighbor should not be forced to pay for your responsibility.

If you want to teach your children Christian fairy tales and Christian magical thinking that's your business so long as you're not physically or emotionally abusing them the government can not interfere.

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joe moricone
0 points
25 hours ago

right but that is not what happens and atheists are against home schooling they love indoctrinating children in school and sue to force the teaching of evolution.

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THX 1138
0 points
25 hours ago

Ok. I get it, another Christian who thinks all atheists are communists. Another Christian who thinks communism and atheism are synonymous.

I've run into your type many times before. There's no convincing you that atheism and communism are not synonymous.

So goodbye. I will ignore you from now on.

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joe moricone
0 points
25 hours ago

well atheism is the official religion of the soviet union and every other communist country. Government education SHOULD be dismantled...but it isn't going to be is it now? talk about magical thinking AHHAHHAHAH

you 'libertarians' are liberals who support every bit of the left wing agenda when it comes to social issues give me a break

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Intrepid
0 points
26 hours ago

People like you, the little fascist wannabes, always deny who they really are. God help us if little totalitarians like you ever get any power.

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Intrepid
0 points
26 hours ago

And so I was thinking to myself , how can I tie Objectivism and my hatred of altruism to anything and everything, and in the process show the world how much I hate America and what a coward I am. Hmm. I know, I will cut and paste a boring, extra long screed by Lenny Peek-a-Boo Peikoff for the 1 millionth time -- THX 1138

Looks like the sign ups to your new, revolutionary, philosophy, with a new revolutionary morality are few and far between. I always get very nervous when cranks like you use words like new and revolutionary. They usually end up on the ash heap of history.

errol phillips
0 points
45 hours ago

More copy and paste worship from the intellectually befuddled acolyte. And the omniscient Leonard Peabrain hands down the real truth from his lofty perch on Mount Objectivus! Oh Leonard, how great thou art!

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THX 1138
0 points
45 hours ago

As a philosopher he is great and Ayn Rand is greater. And if there is to be a future of liberty and capitalism for America and the West it will be due to Objectivism, not Christianity.

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Intrepid
1 point
26 hours ago

Oh, a new missive I can add to the list of THX moronic statements. The atheists are doing a bang up job aren't they. Objectivism is simply atheist lite. Piekoff and Rand seem to be your gods, kind of like Marx and Engels

You are an arrogant child. You always have been. You always will be.

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joe moricone
0 points
44 hours ago

HAHAHAHAH get a clue and look around as christianity has declined in this country and you 'nones' ie no intellect atheists have risen the country has gone to hell...where you are going...and you won't enjoy the ride

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