IS BERGOGLIO THE POPE?
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How to handle the Francis pontificate.
Various opinions on Pope Francis are being expressed. Only one can be correct. Michael breaks down the hard truth about Pope Francis' legitimacy as supreme pontiff.
Anne Hopfer • 42 minutes ago Thank you for this! I so needed to hear this as I am one who was feeling like I needed to run! I will NOT thanks to you and I will find a way to fight! God Bless you!
Mogerat • 2 hours ago • edited Just as the Benedict XVI made history (at least modern history), modern history can be made by the deposition of Bergoglio. In the 1400s there were actually three "popes". A council was called, after which one "pope" resigned, one was condemned, and one was actually deposed, and Pope Martin was elected, meaning there is precedence.
circumferential • 2 hours ago Marshall made it clear that he is not an official of the church, (as a trial judge is an official of the court). But as a witness to a murder, the witness may say that a person is a murderer, he, witnessing the pope publicly making heretical statements is calling the pope a heretic. Please be more truthful when presenting the postulations of others.
Simon Rafe Mod circumferential • 10 minutes ago You cannot say a person is a murderer. You can report what you saw - making an interpretation of it is not the province of a witness. That is why the objection "calls for a conclusion" exists.
ddavidson • 2 hours ago 1. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Oops I can't make that observation or assumption because I've never studied ducks and have no qualifications in duck science. So be quiet and keep your place (like Galileo).
2. 'The Church has never declared apostates per se as no longer in the Communion of Saints'. Does it really have to?! As far as I know Christ never declared or taught that homosexuality was gravely sinful? I'll stand corrected if he did. But did he really have to? There are things that can assumed on the basis of the logic of inconsistent or contrary association surely?
3. With your argument no one could ever be declared a heretic by their words because we can never get into the thoughts and minds of others or know their real intentions are.
Mogerat ddavidson • 2 hours ago • edited The globalists and the CCP have bought the papacy for a rather meager price of a few billion in exchange for the obtaining the most influential person in the planet. Perhaps the Vatican still thinks they have autonomy as they (think they) are now in charge of the 1 wo rld re lig ion they are trying to create. They don't realize they are just their puppets, and will quickly be disposed of after the globalists and communists are done using these tools.
But this build-back better religion they are creating is not Catholic, it is an abomination, and must be stopped one way or another.
Terrence McDonnell • 3 hours ago • edited I Agree that it is fatal to leave the Church regardless of what one may think of the scandals or even the The Pope.
Michael Voris is correct in this.
Think Taylor marshall has clear insight.
It is a pity there are not some more like him in these our times.
We lack spiritual clarity. For more than fifty years now.
It! Clarity is not forthcoming from most (all) pulpits. Not since 25 th July 1968, that day of our greatest disobedience.
It is a pity, that there be no lesser mortal on earth than the Pope Himself to correct the situation in which Rome and the remnant of The One, Holy, Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church finds herself
Suspect this is "Our Just Deserts"?
St Peter Damien Pray for us.
Mogerat Terrence McDonnell • 2 hours ago If you hear the podcast Dr. Marshall made he is clear that no one should leave the Church. And he never said the pope is no longer pope. He didn't even spell out the next steps that we the laity can fill in for him, in places like here.
circumferential Terrence McDonnell • 2 hours ago Michael is not presenting Marshalls position truthfully. He could have explained that Marshall was calling the pope a heretic, as the witness to a murder can say that the person seen to commit the crime is a murderer. The witness would not be "officially" declaring the fact, just as Marshall is not officially declaring the pope a heretic.
Terrence McDonnell • 4 hours ago Why don't you two and your canonical legal .experts get together off air.
And thrash it out.
Without grand standing publicly.
Lay people are powerless to make any judgement about what's coming from Rome.
Except to personally resist much of it.
You could also examine Bishop Lefebvre (His own consecration.)
Naturally as lay people you are not able to solve anything.
Question is in todays climate, who is?
As for Bishops being consecrated without the pope. China bishop consecration situation is rather delicate.
We the lay people are very warily confused.
St Peter Damien pray for us.
Mogerat Terrence McDonnell • 2 hours ago • edited No doubt any council called to depose this pope for heresy would be soon shot down by the bishops who are heavily in favor of Bergoglio. This isn't Bergoglio's first heresy. The clock should start on his first heresy, and any cardinal and bishop appointed after that time should not be allowed to vote in this council.
Johann du Toit Terrence McDonnell • 5 hours ago The Church as a whole never considered her a Heretic. Her trial was a sham in terms of Canon Law, and the local Bishop who presided over it was notorious for his pro-English bias. A retrial was ordered 20 years after her death and the verdict overturned due to the above reasons. Granted, it was too late for St Joan but at least her reputation and good name were restored.
circumferential Elwood • 2 hours ago Wow! You may have missed the point here. You understand parallels, and how they are used?
Maga Man • 10 hours ago • edited I've been asking for a long time why the moderators were allowing sedevacantists to keep posting on this blog. It's good to see strident action was taken by CM to address the problem. So let's put this to rest and show why Voris was right. Here's what Marshall states in his video between 41:49 and 42:37:
Well, people are saying Benedict XVI is still the pope. Could be the case. People are saying Francis never was the pope. Could be the case. He certainly lacks the charism of the Vicar of Christ. He doesn't [even] like the title of the Vicar of Christ. People say in the comments that the election in 2013 was invalid. People say Benedict XVI was still the pope. Some people in the comments say he was elected invalidly because of his heresy; because he never answered the Dubia cardinals Burke and Brandmuller. Others say he fell from the papacy and lost the charism of St. Peter's Keys - I don't know. I honestly don't know. I'm not trying to play games with you....I don't know.
Unfortunately, Marshal was encouraging sedevcantism by his waffling comments.
Simon Rafe Mod Maga Man • 9 minutes ago >> I've been asking for a long time why the moderators were allowing sedevacantists to keep posting on this blog
Because we don't have pre-moderation and people don't flag the comments. Flag them. They will be managed.
Mogerat Maga Man • 2 hours ago 1) If B XVI is pope, there is no "empty papal seat"
2) Dr. Marshall never encouraged sedevacantism, ever.
3) If Bergoglio is a heretic, this is just as if he died. That is not "sedevacantism" in the sense you claim. It just means they have to elect a new pope. And this is not without precedent.
DIJA • 10 hours ago CM.. I hope you're proud of the fall out you created from the arrogant pubic reprimand of a devout fellow Catholic..you took the low road.. which gave permission to posters below to insult his brother and sister Catholics, lacking all humility.
It doesn’t matter anymore that you are correct in your analysis of TM remarks about heresy. You lost a perfect opportunity to humbly contact and discuss with TM privately.. It is so deeply sad.. In this instance, we all lose.
Mogerat Guest • 2 hours ago Actually you are saying the quiet part out load.
Dr. Marshall NEVER said Bergoglio is not pope.
This is a big lie. Good point.
But there are others who say there are "two popes" (and this has happened a few times). It's above me, but my understanding of this idea is that Bergoglio is kind of the "administrative" pope, holding the office of ministry, while Benedict still holds the office of munus. The resignation of the former is valid. This protected the Church from a very wicked move by the "wolves" BXVI mentioned. Only God knows if this is true.
By the way, if this is true, and If BXVI dies, then the "office of munus" will have to wait until the next pope is elected.
CatholicFirefighter • 11 hours ago I haven't blocked this many people since CM's vid on the heretical SSPX.
Both Lol and sad at the same time ...
Mogerat CatholicFirefighter • an hour ago Heretical SSPX...NOT
Then why can we still go to confession and get married if they are heretics?
Maybe they are heretics like the pope is a heretic now, but allowed to continue his office? Is that what you're saying?
CatholicFirefighter Mogerat • an hour ago Who said you can? And why would you, even if you could?
Do you have a special taste for defiance? Is that what you're saying?
Mogerat CatholicFirefighter • an hour ago VATICAN, April 4, 2017 (LifeSiteNews)
– The pope has allowed local bishops to grant the faithful permission
to be married by priests of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).
The SSPX's canonical status is irregular; it is not in “schism” or
“excommunicated.” In recent years, the SSPX has inched closer toward
full communion with Rome. Pope Francis granted SSPX priests faculties to
hear Confessions during the Year of Mercy and continued that permission
when the year ended.
Jeanne L CatholicFirefighter • 4 hours ago Your blocking who from where? The comm box? Honestly, have a discussion.
CatholicFirefighter Guest • 11 hours ago How about its very existence for one? How did you miss that one?
DIJA Guest • 10 hours ago Why bother engaging someone who insults fellow devout Catholics? I’m sure he thinks that he exemplifies Christ quite nicely..
Vanquisher • 11 hours ago I see that Taylor called Francis a heretic, but did he say he was not a pope?? where's the source?
StBridget Vanquisher • 32 minutes ago + I viewed parts of this episode a coupe of times. My understanding , as MV explains, is to call a pope a heretic = no pope...(?)
CatholicFirefighter Vanquisher • 11 hours ago I see that Taylor has no authority to name Francis a heretic, is he a pope?? where's the source?
Mogerat CatholicFirefighter • an hour ago • edited C'mon man, heresy is heresy.
What Mr. Voris should have done was to say that no one has the authority to say Bergoglio has committed a heresy deemed bad enough to be deposed.
If the pope says "plants should be put on the altar", I'm not sure, but I think that goes against Church teaching, just making up an example. But this isn't severe.
Allowing Pachamamas on the altar is an implicit heresy, and moderate if not severe (moderate because they'll claim Pachamama just represents a concept, not a goddess).
Saying we are all one religion is a severe heresy. And this was implied by saying everyone is in the communion of saints regardless. But this is for the bishops to decide, not us, and Dr. Marshall makes this clear. It's our duty though to bang on the bishops' doors to let them know about this. They are just as complacent with Bergoglio's heresy as they are with abortion in the US and the entire world.
Dapouf Guest • 11 hours ago • edited Correct, though I find the use of "authority" in this context somewhat strange. I'd say it's more a capacity - an intellectual one. Does one need "authority" to tell when it is raining when one is in the middle of a storm, getting drenched? If one is not a weatherman, would he be incorrect to text someone in another place that it's raining where he is? Surely not. By the same token, it does not take a doctor of theology to recognize when someone departs from well-explained, fundamental Catholic dogmas. Any individual can do this; to say that an individual cannot believe that A is contrary to not-A without a "formal declaration" from an expert is an insult to the intellect that has been bestowed upon us. It would not, however, be possible for anyone to declare someone a heretic, in a manner binding on consciences, and this is the nuance. Though, no sane person without the proper authority would try to do this.
CatholicFirefighter • 13 hours ago I haven't seen this many posts from overemotional people since Leftists lost the election to President Trump. Listen up people:
Either get TM to defend his lackluster positions against MV in a debate like a man, or cease in your uninformed pompous criticisms of MV.
Get it? Got it? GOOD.
gorzu CatholicFirefighter • 12 hours ago Ummm TM never took a position against MV, what are you talking about?
JohnJoseph CatholicFirefighter • 12 hours ago • edited Why? Because you said so? I don't see the need for a debate. Michael Voris isn't perfect either.
Trumark Guest • 3 hours ago Shame on you Banned!
Catholic Firefighter said NOTHING anything close to what you accused him of and he never defended
PF's remarks or actions!
Didn't you watch th podcast?
CatholicFirefighter Trumark • 2 hours ago Don't worry friend, I never saw his post. I already had him blocked! Lol
Oh well, Rad Trads will be Rad Trads.
Love his "Banned WITHOUT a Purpose" tags though. haha
Maga Man • 13 hours ago I should have watched the Taylor Marshall video in dispute before commenting. After having done so, just now, I was disappointed with Marshall for refusing to affirm the validity AND continuity of Bergoglio's election. The best he could respond with was a repeated, non committal "I don't know!" Marshall thus left the whole issue up in the air, making no attempt to refer to Canon Law. Marshall is a smart guy, but I expected more from him on this crucial issue. Voris was correct in castigating him.
gorzu Maga Man • 12 hours ago TM never refused to affirm the validity of Bergoglio's election, what are you talking about?
Maga Man gorzu • 10 hours ago Try watching @ 41:59 of Marshall's YouTube video.
"Pope Francis teaches HERESY: Pope Pius XII condemned the heresy of Francis"
CG1066 • 13 hours ago I think that if Taylor Marshall watches this video he will probably apologize and state Michael Voris is correct. That's the kind of guy Taylor is I believe. This is gonna be interesting to see what evolves. Thank-you MV, once again, for all of your efforts in helping us all understand this better. It doesn't appear you will be able to ever retire, since there is so many of us needing help in understanding things, lol.
gorzu CG1066 • 11 hours ago Why? Because he called out Bergoglio for saying something not only heretical?
Define heresy: "An opinion or a doctrine at variance with established religious beliefs,especially dissension from or denial of Roman Catholic dogma by a
professed believer or baptized church member."
MV say that TM's calling Bergoglio out leads to the incorrect conclusion that he is a sedevacantist. Wrong! Once Bergoglio says something heretical, it is up to the bishops to depose him or not. Then it will be there duty to elect a new pope. This is not sedevancantism.
Jeanne L • 13 hours ago • edited I fully understand the distinctions that you have made MV. This is going to be some hard pill to swallow if the Traditional Mass is outlawed. That's what has been driving all of this. Trads can cope with almost anything but cutting out from under them the central outward expression of faith and source of grace is pure cruelty.
Does it matter if Francis is truly pope or not if we cannot heed anything he says? Fine, the ordinations, consecrations and sacraments performed under him would be valid, but that's about it. Without public and private acts of reparation from him, he holds no sway. I wouldn't mind if in his liberal ways, he was converting the worldly, but that's not happening, is it? In a sense, and certainly in all perception, albeit not legally, the seat is empty, we have been abandoned by this Holy Father. Holy Spirit have mercy on Francis; send us good and holy prelates who will protect and defend the teachings of the faith.
Bob Watt • 14 hours ago I'm totally confused now! All I see here is MV having a fight with TM. MV is quoting that all those who follow TM, are NOT True Catholics? TM is a humble and intelligent man and has never asked people to leave the Catholic church to join another section of it however, MV is going down his throat big time? In my humble opinion, TM is NOT saying the current Pope is completely false, he is saying that PF is totally wrong on some things he says, and he as a individual has a right to give his own opinion. I don't like the way MV stated that TM is a former Protestant? Why did you say this MV?, you act as though YOU are in charge of the Catholic faith and are condemning some Catholics and telling them to go to confession? You have really blown this out of proportion MV, and I believe that you have a duty to apologise to TM and the OTHERS you have quoted. And finally when did TM actually say that Pope Francis is NOT the Pope? I never heard him say that, he was calling him a heretic because he was going against doctrine etc. May be MV, you should do a full investigation into the life of Bergoglio ?
StBridget Bob Watt • 3 hours ago + I partially agree, but MV did state CM was getting all kinds of phone calls and emails asking if the Pope was really the Pope in question to TM's comments. The topic would definitely need to be addressed if there is major confusion. I agree with someone who commented earlier, that we are all adults and can sit down and iron this thing out to straighten out the semantics. Thank you for posting.
casper Bob Watt • 13 hours ago • edited Bob W: MV response was to a tweeter feed in which TM was quoted as saying the pope is not the pope. Its always good to let emotions sit and to pray before plowing into a heart felt controversy. The first order of business is to go to the person directly, privately, quietly, and indicate one's angst, disappointment, anger, etc. before airing the whole thing on the public stage under colour of self righteous indignation. Is this not what they did to Jesus...tearing garments, renting them and yelling blaspheme? There is a level of understanding here that to my mind needs clarification. If one's accumulated behaviors, church controversies, abject disregard for faithful catholics, even making false accusatory accusations against them and making fun of them as well as promulgating false documents like TC...in order to reach an objective of his own deranged malignant self-will....Diane Montagna covered that very clearly....Francis is a divider of the faith and not a shepherd...we hear that in his words that are not those of a shepherd. I see Jorge as Pope...just the worst in church history to my mind. I take the TM controversy as TM essentially saying that the guardian of the faith implicit in the office of the papacy does not appear to be what it should be,,,its not papal and he based that on Bellermine quotes. The Boniface quote by MV I take as a presumption that the Pope is actually promoting the church in sync with scripture...tradition...doctrine...magisterium...Jorge displays the appearance of not doing that throughout the history of his papacy. The communion of saints thing is egregious. Saint + holy, set aside unto the Lord. The behaviors that Jorge lists are egregious affronts to all that and it is dispictable and contradictory. This element sanctity and communion is implicit in the creed. Does Jorge even believe in the creed? I call him Jorge because he says he prefers to not referred to as "Pope"...ok Jorge....open your mouth and speak...whats that tree saying to the world as Vicar of Christ? I do not hear the fruit that quickens my love for the Living God and your garbage will never take that from me. You are Pope but there is a limit I will follow you on...deceitfil vac jabs, killing the unborn, supporting heretics and child murderers and abortionists and gender confusion and abject failure to stand forth as shepherd and GUARD THE Faith (1TIM. 6:20A) with your life it not there. Have a nice day.
StBridget • 14 hours ago + After reading these comments and (severe) accusations, I think we ALL need to be solid with Holy Mother Church and keep praying. Didn't Our Lord say ( are these the times?) there would be bishop against bishop, etc.? Much of this seems to be distraction from the real issue and we give the enemy glory in our bickering. Time to move on. Either you are with us (Church) or not. Keep praying rosaries.
Suzanne Doherty • 15 hours ago I think Michael is being hard on Marshall Taylor. It would be devastating to have your work so publicly condemned. If MT was ignorant on these matters, he ought to have been approached about it, and out of that conversation, a discussion panel might have been organized and broadcast. This just seems cruel to me - and I am one who normally has no high regard for personal "feelings".
gorzu Suzanne Doherty • 11 hours ago Apparently MV thinks it's ok to say the pope is a "bad pope" (his words), but daring to say he says heretical things is putting souls in danger!
Trumark gorzu • 3 hours ago What are you talking about?
In the last 10 years MV has pointed out corruption and false teaching more than anybody else on the planet!
Don't you get it?
It is about proper use of the term "heretic" and how the CHURCH Authority alone adjudicates and ultimately makes that pronouncement .
gorzu Guest • 11 hours ago The confusion is not whether he's saying heretical things. Apparently MV is saying that saying heretical things does not make a pope a heretic. That is for the bishops to decide. Ok. Then let the bishops decide. But they won't. Reminds me of the election steal in so many states when they refuse to look at the massive evidence.
Trumark gorzu • 2 hours ago Yes, just saying heterosexual or confusing remarks DOES NOT automatically make a person an heretic!
Specifically, who are the bishops "who won't decide"?
What evidence do you have that there aren't any bishops looking into ways to confront PF?
Watch attorney author and apologist John Salza's YouTube videos or read his book "True Pope False Pope"
Fiasco • 16 hours ago • edited In spite of everything that Michael has said, the great majority of posters here haven't learned a thing. i used to go to a TLM parish. Maternal heart of Mary, at Lewisham near Sydney, Australia. Eventually, it became impossible to keep on doing it because of distance and growing health problems. Not once did the FSSP priests rubbish the NO Mass celebrations...actually, they were on good terms with good NO priests, and that's how it should be.
Compare that with the extremist/sedevacantist outfits like Novus Ordo Watch or Most Holy Family Monastery or incendiary terms like "the Vatican 2 sect". Why can't these extremists see that they're giving this current pope the excuse he wants to persecute Traditionalists. And when applied to these extremists, a lot of what he says is, tragically, true. These nutjobs are contributing to the suffering of decent, level-headed Traditionalists (i regard myself as one of them.).
WAKE UP TO YOURSELVES, YOU EXTREMISTS, AND STOP FANCYING YOURSELVES AS YOUR OWN PERSONAL MAGISTERIUMS, WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!!!
Maga Man is correct!
Fiasco Guest • 13 hours ago Another extremist rant. You're doing exactly what this current pope and his hangers-on want you to do. Attitudes like yours give this pope the ammo he "needs" to choke out the TLM. Why the hell can't (won't?) you see it? You missed the whole point of Michael's programme! Like it or not, and like most others here, i don't like it, this current pope is still the pope. And Michael spelled it out. Full stop! Don't try to put words into my mouth! Speak for yourself!...Pot calling the kettle black!
Dapouf Fiasco • 12 hours ago • edited Being consistent with Catholic theology gives this "pope" the ammo he needs to choke out the TLM? Is the TLM all that matters? Is not the preservation of the Catholic faith, whole and inviolate, of the utmost priority? In fact, my friend, what TRULY gives Bergoglio power is semi-trads who entirely discard the papacy and would rather have a non-Catholic "occupy" it (reminds me of modern "monarchies" with rulers as no more than figure heads, except in this case, the "ruler" wouldn't even be a citizen of the country!) than accept that it is vacant. It is the people who excuse Bergoglio for his destruction of countless souls through his apostasy and blasphemy, as if it were nothing because, no matter what, you "CAN'T" say that he's fallen from the pontificate (not that he ever validly held it).
For the record, feeneyites in general (Most Holy Family Monastery being one of them) are indeed heretics, and suffer from a great sickness of soul. Anyone who's read a post by a feeneyite would instantly be able to recognize them thenceforth, but it's unfair to compare with MHFM with Novus Ordo Watch, for instance. Almost every sede does not hold the position because it's "convenient", but because they, in good conscience, find it logically NECESSARY, and certainly no ordinary sede will claim that baptism of blood/desire are heretical teachings given that it is the unanimous teaching of approved theologians (secondary object of infallibility), including St. Alphonsus Liguori, several popes, catechisms, etc.
God Bless you.
Fiasco Dapouf • 7 hours ago i simply used NOW and MHFM as 2 examples of extremists. Nothing more. If the TLM is crushed, groups like those will have helped to "dig their graves".
Fiasco Guest • 7 hours ago • edited To repeat: you learned NOTHING from Michael's talk. And so the rants continue...
Trumark Fiasco • 2 hours ago Again you are correct Fiasco.
It's as though many refuse to listenen carefully carefully to MV's pocast!
DIJA Guest • 14 hours ago Explain how you follow him.. I’m confused by “follow him”. You mean follow when he allows Pachamama idol on the altar? Follow him when he pushes abortion tainted jab on people to enter Vatican? I will NEVER willfully follow this modernist progressive Pope to perdition.. I DO NOT though deny he is THE legitimate as horrific as he is Pope.
gorzu DIJA • 11 hours ago He may be the pope. There are theories. Doesn't matter. If he is heretical, it is the duty of the bishops to depose him and choose another, per Canon 188.4 and St. Bellarmine et al.
Jack McGrath • 17 hours ago "Let strife among us be unknown,
Let all contention cease;
And let us love each other well
In Christian holiness."
- - From LET CHARITY AND LOVE PREVAIL A HYMN
Maga Man Guest • 18 hours ago 100% correct! But, unfortunately, he's still the pope. We are obviously in uncharted waters.
DIJA Maga Man • 18 hours ago The list is ENDLESS of the horrific things this pope has committed, and yet he is still the legitimate Pope. Now that I understand why we cannot use the legal term “Heretic”, I now refer to him has the Distorter of Truth Bad Pope.
CatholicFirefighter Guest • 13 hours ago "Why can't we use the word Heretic?"
I mean, did you even watch the video? Did you?
gorzu CatholicFirefighter • 11 hours ago I saw it. He basically said we are all unprofessionals, that this is beyond all of us, including TM, that only scholars can understand the word "heretic". He should have said instead that although we recognize that he said heretical things, that only the bishops have the right to depose him and elect a new pope. This is not sede-vancantism. Bergoglio has died to the Church, and a new pope must be elected. That's all.
DIJA Guest • 16 hours ago Despite the fact Michael Voris willfully created a shameful circus in regards to how he handled Taylor Marshall calling PF a heretic, I understand now that the word “heresy” is a legal term in the Church, and needs a legal process to be proven.. I am with you though, how is it the actions of this Distorter of Truth Pope aren’t classified as heresy is beyond me..
CatholicFirefighter DIJA • 13 hours ago The shameful circus is clearly all the whining Taylorites who are posting here.
gorzu Guest • 11 hours ago Bergoglio is a puppet of the globalists who are using him. They and the CCP want to make the Vatican think they are uniting the worlds' religions into a big melting pot to make a new a better 1 world transhumanistic religion (using lots of $ to convince them). They complied with great smiles, betraying the only One TRUE Church. They will continue to destroy the Church unless the bishops stop them NOW. It is our duty as laymen to alert them to this fact.
Rosanne Heiliger • 18 hours ago Taylor Marshall has never, in all the years I've listened to him, told anyone to leave the Church. He acknowledges Francis is the Pope. He encourages us to pray for the conversion of all these people that you point out are in need of conversion! He has pointed out heretical speach and asks those who are in the position of questioning the Pope to investigate these matters. A lay person can point out heretical ideas and ask for clarification...
CG1066 Rosanne Heiliger • 13 hours ago TM was aligned with MV - but 2 weeks ago he tweeted that the Pope was a heretic and therefore not the Pope.......!!!!!
gorzu CG1066 • 11 hours ago He did not say "therefore not the Pope"....please provide the tweet. I heard all his podcasts, and he never said this. If he is a heretic, it is now the bishops job to decide whether the heresy is severe enough to depose him. In this case, what he said was very grave because it means that the Church is irrelevant, all of us are saved, we're just one big happy one-world transhumanistic religion.
JohnJoseph CG1066 • 12 hours ago • edited Many on this site and in the Catholic community agree that Pope Francis is a very confusing and disingenuous Pope. People place him somewhere between incompetent on one end and the anti-Christ on the other of the spectrum of leadership. I believe he is doing more harm to the church than good. One day he will have to explain all his decisions. I can't speak for Taylor Marshall, but I think he has a right to express his opinion.
Anne Hopfer • 42 minutes ago Thank you for this! I so needed to hear this as I am one who was feeling like I needed to run! I will NOT thanks to you and I will find a way to fight! God Bless you!
Mogerat • 2 hours ago • edited Just as the Benedict XVI made history (at least modern history), modern history can be made by the deposition of Bergoglio. In the 1400s there were actually three "popes". A council was called, after which one "pope" resigned, one was condemned, and one was actually deposed, and Pope Martin was elected, meaning there is precedence.
circumferential • 2 hours ago Marshall made it clear that he is not an official of the church, (as a trial judge is an official of the court). But as a witness to a murder, the witness may say that a person is a murderer, he, witnessing the pope publicly making heretical statements is calling the pope a heretic. Please be more truthful when presenting the postulations of others.
Simon Rafe Mod circumferential • 10 minutes ago You cannot say a person is a murderer. You can report what you saw - making an interpretation of it is not the province of a witness. That is why the objection "calls for a conclusion" exists.
ddavidson • 2 hours ago 1. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Oops I can't make that observation or assumption because I've never studied ducks and have no qualifications in duck science. So be quiet and keep your place (like Galileo).
2. 'The Church has never declared apostates per se as no longer in the Communion of Saints'. Does it really have to?! As far as I know Christ never declared or taught that homosexuality was gravely sinful? I'll stand corrected if he did. But did he really have to? There are things that can assumed on the basis of the logic of inconsistent or contrary association surely?
3. With your argument no one could ever be declared a heretic by their words because we can never get into the thoughts and minds of others or know their real intentions are.
Mogerat ddavidson • 2 hours ago • edited The globalists and the CCP have bought the papacy for a rather meager price of a few billion in exchange for the obtaining the most influential person in the planet. Perhaps the Vatican still thinks they have autonomy as they (think they) are now in charge of the 1 wo rld re lig ion they are trying to create. They don't realize they are just their puppets, and will quickly be disposed of after the globalists and communists are done using these tools.
But this build-back better religion they are creating is not Catholic, it is an abomination, and must be stopped one way or another.
Terrence McDonnell • 3 hours ago • edited I Agree that it is fatal to leave the Church regardless of what one may think of the scandals or even the The Pope.
Michael Voris is correct in this.
Think Taylor marshall has clear insight.
It is a pity there are not some more like him in these our times.
We lack spiritual clarity. For more than fifty years now.
It! Clarity is not forthcoming from most (all) pulpits. Not since 25 th July 1968, that day of our greatest disobedience.
It is a pity, that there be no lesser mortal on earth than the Pope Himself to correct the situation in which Rome and the remnant of The One, Holy, Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church finds herself
Suspect this is "Our Just Deserts"?
St Peter Damien Pray for us.Mogerat Terrence McDonnell • 2 hours ago If you hear the podcast Dr. Marshall made he is clear that no one should leave the Church. And he never said the pope is no longer pope. He didn't even spell out the next steps that we the laity can fill in for him, in places like here.
circumferential Terrence McDonnell • 2 hours ago Michael is not presenting Marshalls position truthfully. He could have explained that Marshall was calling the pope a heretic, as the witness to a murder can say that the person seen to commit the crime is a murderer. The witness would not be "officially" declaring the fact, just as Marshall is not officially declaring the pope a heretic.
Terrence McDonnell • 4 hours ago Why don't you two and your canonical legal .experts get together off air.
And thrash it out.
Without grand standing publicly.
Lay people are powerless to make any judgement about what's coming from Rome.
Except to personally resist much of it.
You could also examine Bishop Lefebvre (His own consecration.)
Naturally as lay people you are not able to solve anything.
Question is in todays climate, who is?
As for Bishops being consecrated without the pope. China bishop consecration situation is rather delicate.
We the lay people are very warily confused.
St Peter Damien pray for us.Mogerat Terrence McDonnell • 2 hours ago • edited No doubt any council called to depose this pope for heresy would be soon shot down by the bishops who are heavily in favor of Bergoglio. This isn't Bergoglio's first heresy. The clock should start on his first heresy, and any cardinal and bishop appointed after that time should not be allowed to vote in this council.
Johann du Toit Terrence McDonnell • 5 hours ago The Church as a whole never considered her a Heretic. Her trial was a sham in terms of Canon Law, and the local Bishop who presided over it was notorious for his pro-English bias. A retrial was ordered 20 years after her death and the verdict overturned due to the above reasons. Granted, it was too late for St Joan but at least her reputation and good name were restored.
circumferential Elwood • 2 hours ago Wow! You may have missed the point here. You understand parallels, and how they are used?
Maga Man • 10 hours ago • edited I've been asking for a long time why the moderators were allowing sedevacantists to keep posting on this blog. It's good to see strident action was taken by CM to address the problem. So let's put this to rest and show why Voris was right. Here's what Marshall states in his video between 41:49 and 42:37:
Well, people are saying Benedict XVI is still the pope. Could be the case. People are saying Francis never was the pope. Could be the case. He certainly lacks the charism of the Vicar of Christ. He doesn't [even] like the title of the Vicar of Christ. People say in the comments that the election in 2013 was invalid. People say Benedict XVI was still the pope. Some people in the comments say he was elected invalidly because of his heresy; because he never answered the Dubia cardinals Burke and Brandmuller. Others say he fell from the papacy and lost the charism of St. Peter's Keys - I don't know. I honestly don't know. I'm not trying to play games with you....I don't know.
Unfortunately, Marshal was encouraging sedevcantism by his waffling comments.
Simon Rafe Mod Maga Man • 9 minutes ago >> I've been asking for a long time why the moderators were allowing sedevacantists to keep posting on this blog
Because we don't have pre-moderation and people don't flag the comments. Flag them. They will be managed.
Mogerat Maga Man • 2 hours ago 1) If B XVI is pope, there is no "empty papal seat"
2) Dr. Marshall never encouraged sedevacantism, ever.
3) If Bergoglio is a heretic, this is just as if he died. That is not "sedevacantism" in the sense you claim. It just means they have to elect a new pope. And this is not without precedent.
DIJA • 10 hours ago CM.. I hope you're proud of the fall out you created from the arrogant pubic reprimand of a devout fellow Catholic..you took the low road.. which gave permission to posters below to insult his brother and sister Catholics, lacking all humility.
It doesn’t matter anymore that you are correct in your analysis of TM remarks about heresy. You lost a perfect opportunity to humbly contact and discuss with TM privately.. It is so deeply sad.. In this instance, we all lose.Mogerat Guest • 2 hours ago Actually you are saying the quiet part out load.
Dr. Marshall NEVER said Bergoglio is not pope.
This is a big lie. Good point.But there are others who say there are "two popes" (and this has happened a few times). It's above me, but my understanding of this idea is that Bergoglio is kind of the "administrative" pope, holding the office of ministry, while Benedict still holds the office of munus. The resignation of the former is valid. This protected the Church from a very wicked move by the "wolves" BXVI mentioned. Only God knows if this is true.
By the way, if this is true, and If BXVI dies, then the "office of munus" will have to wait until the next pope is elected.
CatholicFirefighter • 11 hours ago I haven't blocked this many people since CM's vid on the heretical SSPX.
Both Lol and sad at the same time ...Mogerat CatholicFirefighter • an hour ago Heretical SSPX...NOT
Then why can we still go to confession and get married if they are heretics?
Maybe they are heretics like the pope is a heretic now, but allowed to continue his office? Is that what you're saying?CatholicFirefighter Mogerat • an hour ago Who said you can? And why would you, even if you could?
Do you have a special taste for defiance? Is that what you're saying?Mogerat CatholicFirefighter • an hour ago VATICAN, April 4, 2017 (LifeSiteNews)
– The pope has allowed local bishops to grant the faithful permission
to be married by priests of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).The SSPX's canonical status is irregular; it is not in “schism” or
“excommunicated.” In recent years, the SSPX has inched closer toward
full communion with Rome. Pope Francis granted SSPX priests faculties to
hear Confessions during the Year of Mercy and continued that permission
when the year ended.
Jeanne L CatholicFirefighter • 4 hours ago Your blocking who from where? The comm box? Honestly, have a discussion.
CatholicFirefighter Guest • 11 hours ago How about its very existence for one? How did you miss that one?
DIJA Guest • 10 hours ago Why bother engaging someone who insults fellow devout Catholics? I’m sure he thinks that he exemplifies Christ quite nicely..
Vanquisher • 11 hours ago I see that Taylor called Francis a heretic, but did he say he was not a pope?? where's the source?
StBridget Vanquisher • 32 minutes ago + I viewed parts of this episode a coupe of times. My understanding , as MV explains, is to call a pope a heretic = no pope...(?)
CatholicFirefighter Vanquisher • 11 hours ago I see that Taylor has no authority to name Francis a heretic, is he a pope?? where's the source?
Mogerat CatholicFirefighter • an hour ago • edited C'mon man, heresy is heresy.
What Mr. Voris should have done was to say that no one has the authority to say Bergoglio has committed a heresy deemed bad enough to be deposed.If the pope says "plants should be put on the altar", I'm not sure, but I think that goes against Church teaching, just making up an example. But this isn't severe.
Allowing Pachamamas on the altar is an implicit heresy, and moderate if not severe (moderate because they'll claim Pachamama just represents a concept, not a goddess).
Saying we are all one religion is a severe heresy. And this was implied by saying everyone is in the communion of saints regardless. But this is for the bishops to decide, not us, and Dr. Marshall makes this clear. It's our duty though to bang on the bishops' doors to let them know about this. They are just as complacent with Bergoglio's heresy as they are with abortion in the US and the entire world.Dapouf Guest • 11 hours ago • edited Correct, though I find the use of "authority" in this context somewhat strange. I'd say it's more a capacity - an intellectual one. Does one need "authority" to tell when it is raining when one is in the middle of a storm, getting drenched? If one is not a weatherman, would he be incorrect to text someone in another place that it's raining where he is? Surely not. By the same token, it does not take a doctor of theology to recognize when someone departs from well-explained, fundamental Catholic dogmas. Any individual can do this; to say that an individual cannot believe that A is contrary to not-A without a "formal declaration" from an expert is an insult to the intellect that has been bestowed upon us. It would not, however, be possible for anyone to declare someone a heretic, in a manner binding on consciences, and this is the nuance. Though, no sane person without the proper authority would try to do this.
CatholicFirefighter • 13 hours ago I haven't seen this many posts from overemotional people since Leftists lost the election to President Trump. Listen up people:
Either get TM to defend his lackluster positions against MV in a debate like a man, or cease in your uninformed pompous criticisms of MV.
Get it? Got it? GOOD.gorzu CatholicFirefighter • 12 hours ago Ummm TM never took a position against MV, what are you talking about?
JohnJoseph CatholicFirefighter • 12 hours ago • edited Why? Because you said so? I don't see the need for a debate. Michael Voris isn't perfect either.
Trumark Guest • 3 hours ago Shame on you Banned!
Catholic Firefighter said NOTHING anything close to what you accused him of and he never defended
PF's remarks or actions!Didn't you watch th podcast?
CatholicFirefighter Trumark • 2 hours ago Don't worry friend, I never saw his post. I already had him blocked! Lol
Oh well, Rad Trads will be Rad Trads.
Love his "Banned WITHOUT a Purpose" tags though. haha
Maga Man • 13 hours ago I should have watched the Taylor Marshall video in dispute before commenting. After having done so, just now, I was disappointed with Marshall for refusing to affirm the validity AND continuity of Bergoglio's election. The best he could respond with was a repeated, non committal "I don't know!" Marshall thus left the whole issue up in the air, making no attempt to refer to Canon Law. Marshall is a smart guy, but I expected more from him on this crucial issue. Voris was correct in castigating him.
gorzu Maga Man • 12 hours ago TM never refused to affirm the validity of Bergoglio's election, what are you talking about?
Maga Man gorzu • 10 hours ago Try watching @ 41:59 of Marshall's YouTube video.
"Pope Francis teaches HERESY: Pope Pius XII condemned the heresy of Francis"
CG1066 • 13 hours ago I think that if Taylor Marshall watches this video he will probably apologize and state Michael Voris is correct. That's the kind of guy Taylor is I believe. This is gonna be interesting to see what evolves. Thank-you MV, once again, for all of your efforts in helping us all understand this better. It doesn't appear you will be able to ever retire, since there is so many of us needing help in understanding things, lol.
gorzu CG1066 • 11 hours ago Why? Because he called out Bergoglio for saying something not only heretical?
Define heresy: "An opinion or a doctrine at variance with established religious beliefs,especially dissension from or denial of Roman Catholic dogma by a
professed believer or baptized church member."
MV say that TM's calling Bergoglio out leads to the incorrect conclusion that he is a sedevacantist. Wrong! Once Bergoglio says something heretical, it is up to the bishops to depose him or not. Then it will be there duty to elect a new pope. This is not sedevancantism.
Jeanne L • 13 hours ago • edited I fully understand the distinctions that you have made MV. This is going to be some hard pill to swallow if the Traditional Mass is outlawed. That's what has been driving all of this. Trads can cope with almost anything but cutting out from under them the central outward expression of faith and source of grace is pure cruelty.
Does it matter if Francis is truly pope or not if we cannot heed anything he says? Fine, the ordinations, consecrations and sacraments performed under him would be valid, but that's about it. Without public and private acts of reparation from him, he holds no sway. I wouldn't mind if in his liberal ways, he was converting the worldly, but that's not happening, is it? In a sense, and certainly in all perception, albeit not legally, the seat is empty, we have been abandoned by this Holy Father. Holy Spirit have mercy on Francis; send us good and holy prelates who will protect and defend the teachings of the faith.Bob Watt • 14 hours ago I'm totally confused now! All I see here is MV having a fight with TM. MV is quoting that all those who follow TM, are NOT True Catholics? TM is a humble and intelligent man and has never asked people to leave the Catholic church to join another section of it however, MV is going down his throat big time? In my humble opinion, TM is NOT saying the current Pope is completely false, he is saying that PF is totally wrong on some things he says, and he as a individual has a right to give his own opinion. I don't like the way MV stated that TM is a former Protestant? Why did you say this MV?, you act as though YOU are in charge of the Catholic faith and are condemning some Catholics and telling them to go to confession? You have really blown this out of proportion MV, and I believe that you have a duty to apologise to TM and the OTHERS you have quoted. And finally when did TM actually say that Pope Francis is NOT the Pope? I never heard him say that, he was calling him a heretic because he was going against doctrine etc. May be MV, you should do a full investigation into the life of Bergoglio ?
StBridget Bob Watt • 3 hours ago + I partially agree, but MV did state CM was getting all kinds of phone calls and emails asking if the Pope was really the Pope in question to TM's comments. The topic would definitely need to be addressed if there is major confusion. I agree with someone who commented earlier, that we are all adults and can sit down and iron this thing out to straighten out the semantics. Thank you for posting.
casper Bob Watt • 13 hours ago • edited Bob W: MV response was to a tweeter feed in which TM was quoted as saying the pope is not the pope. Its always good to let emotions sit and to pray before plowing into a heart felt controversy. The first order of business is to go to the person directly, privately, quietly, and indicate one's angst, disappointment, anger, etc. before airing the whole thing on the public stage under colour of self righteous indignation. Is this not what they did to Jesus...tearing garments, renting them and yelling blaspheme? There is a level of understanding here that to my mind needs clarification. If one's accumulated behaviors, church controversies, abject disregard for faithful catholics, even making false accusatory accusations against them and making fun of them as well as promulgating false documents like TC...in order to reach an objective of his own deranged malignant self-will....Diane Montagna covered that very clearly....Francis is a divider of the faith and not a shepherd...we hear that in his words that are not those of a shepherd. I see Jorge as Pope...just the worst in church history to my mind. I take the TM controversy as TM essentially saying that the guardian of the faith implicit in the office of the papacy does not appear to be what it should be,,,its not papal and he based that on Bellermine quotes. The Boniface quote by MV I take as a presumption that the Pope is actually promoting the church in sync with scripture...tradition...doctrine...magisterium...Jorge displays the appearance of not doing that throughout the history of his papacy. The communion of saints thing is egregious. Saint + holy, set aside unto the Lord. The behaviors that Jorge lists are egregious affronts to all that and it is dispictable and contradictory. This element sanctity and communion is implicit in the creed. Does Jorge even believe in the creed? I call him Jorge because he says he prefers to not referred to as "Pope"...ok Jorge....open your mouth and speak...whats that tree saying to the world as Vicar of Christ? I do not hear the fruit that quickens my love for the Living God and your garbage will never take that from me. You are Pope but there is a limit I will follow you on...deceitfil vac jabs, killing the unborn, supporting heretics and child murderers and abortionists and gender confusion and abject failure to stand forth as shepherd and GUARD THE Faith (1TIM. 6:20A) with your life it not there. Have a nice day.
StBridget • 14 hours ago + After reading these comments and (severe) accusations, I think we ALL need to be solid with Holy Mother Church and keep praying. Didn't Our Lord say ( are these the times?) there would be bishop against bishop, etc.? Much of this seems to be distraction from the real issue and we give the enemy glory in our bickering. Time to move on. Either you are with us (Church) or not. Keep praying rosaries.
Suzanne Doherty • 15 hours ago I think Michael is being hard on Marshall Taylor. It would be devastating to have your work so publicly condemned. If MT was ignorant on these matters, he ought to have been approached about it, and out of that conversation, a discussion panel might have been organized and broadcast. This just seems cruel to me - and I am one who normally has no high regard for personal "feelings".
gorzu Suzanne Doherty • 11 hours ago Apparently MV thinks it's ok to say the pope is a "bad pope" (his words), but daring to say he says heretical things is putting souls in danger!
Trumark gorzu • 3 hours ago What are you talking about?
In the last 10 years MV has pointed out corruption and false teaching more than anybody else on the planet!Don't you get it?
It is about proper use of the term "heretic" and how the CHURCH Authority alone adjudicates and ultimately makes that pronouncement .
gorzu Guest • 11 hours ago The confusion is not whether he's saying heretical things. Apparently MV is saying that saying heretical things does not make a pope a heretic. That is for the bishops to decide. Ok. Then let the bishops decide. But they won't. Reminds me of the election steal in so many states when they refuse to look at the massive evidence.
Trumark gorzu • 2 hours ago Yes, just saying heterosexual or confusing remarks DOES NOT automatically make a person an heretic!
Specifically, who are the bishops "who won't decide"?
What evidence do you have that there aren't any bishops looking into ways to confront PF?Watch attorney author and apologist John Salza's YouTube videos or read his book "True Pope False Pope"
Fiasco • 16 hours ago • edited In spite of everything that Michael has said, the great majority of posters here haven't learned a thing. i used to go to a TLM parish. Maternal heart of Mary, at Lewisham near Sydney, Australia. Eventually, it became impossible to keep on doing it because of distance and growing health problems. Not once did the FSSP priests rubbish the NO Mass celebrations...actually, they were on good terms with good NO priests, and that's how it should be.
Compare that with the extremist/sedevacantist outfits like Novus Ordo Watch or Most Holy Family Monastery or incendiary terms like "the Vatican 2 sect". Why can't these extremists see that they're giving this current pope the excuse he wants to persecute Traditionalists. And when applied to these extremists, a lot of what he says is, tragically, true. These nutjobs are contributing to the suffering of decent, level-headed Traditionalists (i regard myself as one of them.).
WAKE UP TO YOURSELVES, YOU EXTREMISTS, AND STOP FANCYING YOURSELVES AS YOUR OWN PERSONAL MAGISTERIUMS, WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!!!
Maga Man is correct!Fiasco Guest • 13 hours ago Another extremist rant. You're doing exactly what this current pope and his hangers-on want you to do. Attitudes like yours give this pope the ammo he "needs" to choke out the TLM. Why the hell can't (won't?) you see it? You missed the whole point of Michael's programme! Like it or not, and like most others here, i don't like it, this current pope is still the pope. And Michael spelled it out. Full stop! Don't try to put words into my mouth! Speak for yourself!...Pot calling the kettle black!
Dapouf Fiasco • 12 hours ago • edited Being consistent with Catholic theology gives this "pope" the ammo he needs to choke out the TLM? Is the TLM all that matters? Is not the preservation of the Catholic faith, whole and inviolate, of the utmost priority? In fact, my friend, what TRULY gives Bergoglio power is semi-trads who entirely discard the papacy and would rather have a non-Catholic "occupy" it (reminds me of modern "monarchies" with rulers as no more than figure heads, except in this case, the "ruler" wouldn't even be a citizen of the country!) than accept that it is vacant. It is the people who excuse Bergoglio for his destruction of countless souls through his apostasy and blasphemy, as if it were nothing because, no matter what, you "CAN'T" say that he's fallen from the pontificate (not that he ever validly held it).
For the record, feeneyites in general (Most Holy Family Monastery being one of them) are indeed heretics, and suffer from a great sickness of soul. Anyone who's read a post by a feeneyite would instantly be able to recognize them thenceforth, but it's unfair to compare with MHFM with Novus Ordo Watch, for instance. Almost every sede does not hold the position because it's "convenient", but because they, in good conscience, find it logically NECESSARY, and certainly no ordinary sede will claim that baptism of blood/desire are heretical teachings given that it is the unanimous teaching of approved theologians (secondary object of infallibility), including St. Alphonsus Liguori, several popes, catechisms, etc.
God Bless you.
Fiasco Dapouf • 7 hours ago i simply used NOW and MHFM as 2 examples of extremists. Nothing more. If the TLM is crushed, groups like those will have helped to "dig their graves".
Fiasco Guest • 7 hours ago • edited To repeat: you learned NOTHING from Michael's talk. And so the rants continue...
Trumark Fiasco • 2 hours ago Again you are correct Fiasco.
It's as though many refuse to listenen carefully carefully to MV's pocast!
DIJA Guest • 14 hours ago Explain how you follow him.. I’m confused by “follow him”. You mean follow when he allows Pachamama idol on the altar? Follow him when he pushes abortion tainted jab on people to enter Vatican? I will NEVER willfully follow this modernist progressive Pope to perdition.. I DO NOT though deny he is THE legitimate as horrific as he is Pope.
gorzu DIJA • 11 hours ago He may be the pope. There are theories. Doesn't matter. If he is heretical, it is the duty of the bishops to depose him and choose another, per Canon 188.4 and St. Bellarmine et al.
Jack McGrath • 17 hours ago "Let strife among us be unknown,
Let all contention cease;
And let us love each other well
In Christian holiness."- - From LET CHARITY AND LOVE PREVAIL A HYMN
Maga Man Guest • 18 hours ago 100% correct! But, unfortunately, he's still the pope. We are obviously in uncharted waters.
DIJA Maga Man • 18 hours ago The list is ENDLESS of the horrific things this pope has committed, and yet he is still the legitimate Pope. Now that I understand why we cannot use the legal term “Heretic”, I now refer to him has the Distorter of Truth Bad Pope.
CatholicFirefighter Guest • 13 hours ago "Why can't we use the word Heretic?"
I mean, did you even watch the video? Did you?
gorzu CatholicFirefighter • 11 hours ago I saw it. He basically said we are all unprofessionals, that this is beyond all of us, including TM, that only scholars can understand the word "heretic". He should have said instead that although we recognize that he said heretical things, that only the bishops have the right to depose him and elect a new pope. This is not sede-vancantism. Bergoglio has died to the Church, and a new pope must be elected. That's all.
DIJA Guest • 16 hours ago Despite the fact Michael Voris willfully created a shameful circus in regards to how he handled Taylor Marshall calling PF a heretic, I understand now that the word “heresy” is a legal term in the Church, and needs a legal process to be proven.. I am with you though, how is it the actions of this Distorter of Truth Pope aren’t classified as heresy is beyond me..
CatholicFirefighter DIJA • 13 hours ago The shameful circus is clearly all the whining Taylorites who are posting here.
gorzu Guest • 11 hours ago Bergoglio is a puppet of the globalists who are using him. They and the CCP want to make the Vatican think they are uniting the worlds' religions into a big melting pot to make a new a better 1 world transhumanistic religion (using lots of $ to convince them). They complied with great smiles, betraying the only One TRUE Church. They will continue to destroy the Church unless the bishops stop them NOW. It is our duty as laymen to alert them to this fact.
Rosanne Heiliger • 18 hours ago Taylor Marshall has never, in all the years I've listened to him, told anyone to leave the Church. He acknowledges Francis is the Pope. He encourages us to pray for the conversion of all these people that you point out are in need of conversion! He has pointed out heretical speach and asks those who are in the position of questioning the Pope to investigate these matters. A lay person can point out heretical ideas and ask for clarification...
CG1066 Rosanne Heiliger • 13 hours ago TM was aligned with MV - but 2 weeks ago he tweeted that the Pope was a heretic and therefore not the Pope.......!!!!!
gorzu CG1066 • 11 hours ago He did not say "therefore not the Pope"....please provide the tweet. I heard all his podcasts, and he never said this. If he is a heretic, it is now the bishops job to decide whether the heresy is severe enough to depose him. In this case, what he said was very grave because it means that the Church is irrelevant, all of us are saved, we're just one big happy one-world transhumanistic religion.
JohnJoseph CG1066 • 12 hours ago • edited Many on this site and in the Catholic community agree that Pope Francis is a very confusing and disingenuous Pope. People place him somewhere between incompetent on one end and the anti-Christ on the other of the spectrum of leadership. I believe he is doing more harm to the church than good. One day he will have to explain all his decisions. I can't speak for Taylor Marshall, but I think he has a right to express his opinion.
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